Apr 30 2008
Humbled Broken Lovers
My status “They are the heart broken lovers dancing on the glass they broke, their spit in each others mouths hoping to choke.”
PEEP: is that an original composiion
*composition
me: They are the heart broken lovers dancing on the glass they broke, their spit in each others mouths hoping to choke. Needle in the eye, stoke in the heart–only empathy and forgiveness will heal and leave them apart.
err, it’s not empathy is it
PEEP: *stake
me: ?
strook?
PEEP: stake in the heart?
me: i what the word for not caring
want*
instead of empathy
PEEP: apathy
me: apathy
yeah
PEEP: how can you have forgiveness with apathy
you have to care to forgive…
me: becuase not caring is the opposite of love and hate
to forgive is simply to write off
and not to gain anything from it
it’s turely a god-given thing
besides that
stroke?
pain of the heart?
heart attack
did I spell that right?
PEEP: yeah
but you cannot forgive without love
me: which one stake or stroke do you think?
umm, then maybe i should put foget
forget*
PEEP: yeah
it’s much easier to forget than forgive
me: cynical composition isn’t it? I am sure you liked the first one more
PEEP: stake makes more sense
yes
quite cynical
what is this an allusion to
me: it depends if forgiving and/or forgetting heals
more then the other
but I suppose but can heal, si?
both*
PEEP: not really
if you forget without forgiving
you’re not really healing
just burying your feelings and anger
you haven’t eradicated them
me: or it just dies off
you don’t really care
PEEP: but it can be reawakened at any time
and apathy is the death of the spirit
me: unless you go through something where apathy keeps your spirit alive
PEEP: yeah but
it should be a transitional stage at most
me: forgiveness in such cases isn’t tangible
PEEP: yeah but that’s just procrastinating
putting off summoning the courage to forgive
me: but I suppose I am talking in extreme cases–and I don’t feel courage has anything to do with it–somethings are simply unforgiveable
but back to the composition
the lovers
perhaps the orginial was best then
becuase they still feel or then they wouldn’t hate
PEEP: no case is too extreme for forgiveness
yes, hate is the antithesis of apathy
Sent at 1:32 PM on Wednesday
me: go through rape and then come back to me and say that no case is too exterme for forgiveness
and i put apathy in the compostion b/c yes it is the opposite
PEEP: the most beautiful man who ever lived was stoned near to death and humiliated in a way no animal ever was
and had the option of crushing a whole city between mountains
and yet he forgave
Sent at 1:35 PM on Wednesday
me: most women rather die
PEEP: the greater the pain, the greater the reward for finding peace
this does not mean you don’t seek justice
or that the proper punishment is laid down
I think all rapists should be castrated and left to bleed to death
but
with justice must come peace of mind, heart, and soul
and ultimately that only comes with forgiveness
not for the action
but forgiveness with the hope that God will guide them to the light
me: I have no true sentiment that such evil doers find ease ever
could you ever forgive Hitler?
PEEP: Hitler is dead
me: Honestly, could you?
PEEP: and so, no, I cannot forgive him
me: if he was alive
if you were in a camp
PEEP: you’re not seeing what I’m saying
me: I feel you’re being idealist to absurdity
PEEP: then tell me what you think of the prophet’s example
me: I feel it’s different. But because I am not sure why –just yet–I shall yield to you for now and keep the original composition: “they are the heart broken lovers dancing on the glass they broke, their spit in each others mouths hoping to choke. Needle in the eye, stake in the heart–only empathy and forgiveness will heal and leave them apart.”
wise words.
lollz, dyukno wat u remind me of?…a futuristic Plato, always using allegories in a jumbled format that may not make much sense at first sight…but with closer inspection reveals a deepunderstanding…if one thinks so, if not, it may mean something totallyelse..so flexible…
I personally think its easier to forgive than to forget…
I love the whole idea for the picture/poem though
nabeyuna Muhammad was the pinnacle of excellence … he was a Mercy to all mankind
but if forgiveness was always always the right course of action, then the families of victims wouldn’t be really given the choice of having the criminal or killer punished / executed.
I just don’t think it’s *right* to forgive something like this: http://writingsofayeshakhan.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/the-cost-of-our-luxuries-the-price-of-our-phones/
Asalaamualaikum,
Sometimes mercy is not the best course of action. Yes indeed, Allah(SWT)’s messenger was the most merciful human, but his mercy wasn’t without limits. If someone is going to take advantage of your mercy then it is foolish to be merciful. Cases such as that of banu Quraydah come into play. Another as for those that were in that blog above, mercy wouldnt be an appropriate measure.
‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said:
I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) saying: There would arise towards the end of time a people who would be young in age and immature in thought, but they would talk (in such a manner) as if their words are the best among the creatures. They would recite the Qur’an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass through the religion as an arrow goes through the prey. So when you meet them, kill them, for in their killing you would get a reward from Allah on the Day of Judgment.
I am not saying that they are the khawarij. Only thing i am hinting at is that mercy at times is foolish and actions such as killing is a better course to take.
Asalaamualaikum,
-Zahid