Born Confused

 

me (2:43:00 AM):i figured you felt emo

me (2:43:08 AM):thinking about death

person (2:44:00 AM):haha

person (2:44:00 AM):no

person (2:44:06 AM):I was just copying my friend’s thing

person (2:44:17 AM):it’s not emo to think about death

me (2:45:16 AM):it’s rather healthy, I agree–i just usually keep it to myself perhaps

me (2:45:32 AM):in fact i have been thinking about it a lot

person (2:47:41 AM):it really is

person (2:47:49 AM):you can’t appreciate life fully

person (2:47:55 AM):without contemplating death

person (2:48:03 AM):it doesn’t mean you should fear death

me (2:48:38 AM):even a little fear isn’t unhealthy

me (2:48:56 AM):fear is what makes you truly brave

me (2:49:27 AM):fear is what makes you truly able to appreciate

person (2:49:50 AM):I don’t regard that as fear

me (2:49:51 AM):http://youtube.com/watch?v=K9jOlGB5R5U

person (2:49:56 AM):I call that awareness

person (2:50:09 AM):consciousness

person (2:50:11 AM):but not fear

me (2:50:23 AM):are we not afraid of the harsh truth?

me (2:50:33 AM):the awareness?

person (2:50:38 AM):no

me (2:50:42 AM):it doesn’t paralyze us

me (2:51:00 AM):just like you said.. aware

person (2:51:12 AM):but that doesn’t make it fear

me (2:51:53 AM):wouldn’t you say one is an innate reaction and then the other is the resultant?

me (2:52:22 AM):result being aware, consciousness, fight or flight effect

me (2:52:27 AM):etc?

person (2:53:15 AM):but fear isn’t healthy

person (2:53:25 AM):awareness is

person (2:53:30 AM):we fear what we don’t know

me (2:53:36 AM):anything in excess is unhealthy

person (2:53:47 AM):fear in any quantity is unhealthy

me (2:54:28 AM):but we don’t know all, so fear is bond to happen–awareness, etc, is the healthy part to fear

me (2:54:30 AM):aye?

person (2:55:06 AM):no

person (2:55:14 AM):awareness is the opposite of fear

person (2:55:20 AM):it is the antidote to fear

me (2:56:03 AM):then what do you call it when the prey picks up it’s ears to the predictor?

person (2:56:39 AM):huh

me (2:59:17 AM):in nature, the gazelle picks up it’s ears to the as it approaches–do you deny that fear runs thought the prey–adrenaline rushes in heightening awareness?

me (2:59:27 AM):to the lion*

person (3:00:13 AM):the human being is elevated in this regard

person (3:00:21 AM):that is what sets us apart as the highest of creation

person (3:00:23 AM):our awareness

person (3:00:33 AM):that’s the whole point

person (3:00:38 AM):the difference between us and animals

person (3:00:44 AM):is that we have the ability to dispel our fears

person (3:00:53 AM):that is what we’ve been blessed with

me (3:01:34 AM):Freedom of will is what separates us

person (3:01:50 AM):and our awareness

me (3:02:24 AM):you mean the obtainment of knowledge

me (3:02:33 AM):“iqra…”

person (3:02:42 AM):more basic than that

person (3:02:50 AM):we are able to discern the world around us

person (3:03:06 AM):in such a way that allows us to make our own interpretations

person (3:03:20 AM):so the only reason we’d ever fear something

person (3:03:28 AM):is if we didn’t know about it

person (3:03:31 AM):if it was unknown

person (3:03:50 AM):but we have the ability to find out the unknown

me (3:05:13 AM):as do animals discern… that’s why we do not show the knife to them before we slaughter them. but do we not also have the knowledge of our own limited understanding of the world? and even in death… we know the little we do from the scriptures

me (3:06:13 AM):in an absolute sense i totally get what your saying… but it doesn’t seem realistic

person (3:06:39 AM):why not?

person (3:06:50 AM):aren’t we told not to fear anything but God?

person (3:07:07 AM):I believe even that statement has been corrupted in translation

person (3:07:28 AM):because taqwa does not mean fear so much as it means higher consciousness

person (3:07:35 AM):of course we feel fear person (3:07:42 AM):it’s natural

person (3:07:47 AM):but to say it’s healthy

person (3:07:50 AM):I can’t agree

me (3:09:28 AM):umm… you make me think… but cannot fear contribute to taqwa?

me (3:09:45 AM):a higher consciousness?

person (3:09:54 AM):I don’t think we should fear God

person (3:09:58 AM):I’ve told you this

me (3:10:01 AM):yes yes–I KNOW THIS

person (3:10:16 AM):perhaps fear is a step in the direction of consciousness

person (3:10:23 AM):but I don’t think it’s one we should stop at

person (3:10:33 AM):like I said

person (3:10:35 AM):it’s natural

me (3:10:38 AM):i never suggested we stop at it

me (3:10:45 AM):it’s a step of maturity though

me (3:10:51 AM):we must past

me (3:10:55 AM):to love Allah

person (3:11:30 AM):I mean

person (3:11:36 AM):I think it’s the default feeling

me (3:11:38 AM):even such ugly, shunned things as fear have a good side

person (3:11:42 AM):it doesn’t require much effort to fear things

me (3:11:49 AM):yes, it’s basic

person (3:11:52 AM):what good side could there be to fear?

me (3:12:26 AM):as long as it’s little, a heighten awareness–to accumulate understanding

me (3:12:44 AM):and with understanding comes the power to dispel fear

me (3:12:48 AM):and love

me (3:13:11 AM):we, as animalistic creatures must start somewhere

me (3:13:26 AM):we’re not innately holy or strong

person (3:13:51 AM):but then… it’s simply redundant to say fear is necessary

person (3:13:56 AM):because we fear by default

me (3:14:58 AM):we’re simply unaware by default, it’s when we wake up that we fear

person (3:16:04 AM):I dunno about that

person (3:16:08 AM):you may be right

person (3:16:16 AM):but I think we always fear

person (3:16:26 AM):it’s just subconsciously

me (3:17:33 AM):perhaps you are more aware then others…. my mind… some parts are still like a baby… until a lion approaches and my ears pick up

person (3:17:56 AM):perhaps

person (3:18:30 AM):but, for example, I think at the root of all racists is a fear

me (3:18:59 AM):like when you learn about crimes… the way people kill each other… how they caught them, torture…. when you walk down an alley way your aware of every sound behind you

me (3:19:14 AM):oh racists are overwhelmed with fear

me (3:20:14 AM):a twinge of fear–to keep you aware of what’s behind you in that alley-way–because you just learned new possibilities …

me (3:20:49 AM):of how someone can hurt you is what i am talking about—and even that can develop into paranoia

me (3:21:36 AM):our task in our free will is to dispel the fear–or at least most of it

me (3:21:56 AM):if we’re not able to do all of it

me (3:22:06 AM):to keep ourselves safe

me (3:23:46 AM):your right, I’m right… we just start from different gauges and starts

me (3:24:10 AM):but i think we concur about heighten awareness etc

person (3:26:07 AM):yeah

person (3:26:10 AM):I guess so person (3:26:12 AM):lol

me (3:27:47 AM):och’ay yaar, it’s been a very very very long and arduous day alhumduillah

me (3:27:54 AM):very productive

me (3:28:05 AM):and i am very tired ……..

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