Feb 24 2008
RANDOMOOBOBi: the Virtue of Haramoobobi Randomness
Trying to get someont to post here
ballinb:lol .. thanks for the link . i hardly get a chance to post on Islamica generally so i dont know if i should post randomness
kind of randomness do u mean?
lol
me:ANYTHING and EVERYTHING
ballinb:but i wouldnt want the world to be able to read anything and everything
i mean anything and everything that comes to my head
me:whatever you feel comfortable yaar
ballinb:hmm anyway have to go take care
me:did you post? 
ballinb:well .. . i dont feel comfortable posting randomness ..sorry : )
me:not even Qur’an haramoobobi
ballinb:well there is a Quranic Verse thread
me:you can post ANYTHING to your heart’s content mr. uptight one. BE FREEEEEEEEEEEE
ballinb:but then the Verse might get lost in the randomness
me:(and halal)
ballinb:hmm….
me:ok your achward
ballinb:lol ok.. sorry but im not used to posting freely
me:are you use to living freely? thinking freely? feeling freely? expressing yourself freely? (and whilst in a halal manner)
ballinb:oh of course. we have to think freely as muslims but posting randomness, sometimes perhaps ‘nonsense’ in a thread is not necessarily representative of ‘free thought’. im sorry if I sound too uptight or ‘strict’ .. but thats just how i feel .. I think there should be a point to everthing.. well atleast not ‘pointless’sorry ..anyway gota go
me:He who does not look upon things with the eye of insight is lost and to be blamed. it’s not nonsense. it seems so to the viewer who does not know the mind of the artist…don’t be so quick to judge
ballinb:well i wasnt referring to particular posts
i mean the thread as a whole..might end up with people posting ‘anything’ like u say, and ‘anything’ might include nonsense although it’s your thread u might not be able to control some of the nonsense others post in it
me:control?
ballinb:lol not control but ppl might post nonsense and u dont want that do u :S
me:“To deny the freedom of the will is to make morality impossible.”–James A. Froude.
ballinb:whatt if ppl r posting good things then that’s great
me:think upon it deeply what is good for you might not be good for others nor will anyone really be on your level of eman
ballinb:hmm…
me:it might be above or below but do not expect the same everyone has thier journey “We believe nothing so frimly as what we least know.”–Michel de Montaigne.
ballinb:that’s true.. but the point is that there is a fine line between ‘just a random post’ and a post which makes no sense in any way and is just wasting forum bandwidth and letting ppl post just ‘random’ stuff about anything just makes it easier to cross that fine line
me:maybe it’s sharing love/happiness who are we to judge?
ballinb:eg. posting random underpants is sharing peace love? Lol i mean there should be a point to something..
me:it’s sharing happiness. I was looking for power rangers that reminder me of defenders remember a smile is charity maybe I made someone smile? Laugh? giggle? inshAllah fillsabillullah maybe they had a hard day
ballinb:ok if that is your intention..
me:Emily Dickinson: If I can stop one heart from breaking, I shall not live in vain. If I can ease one life the aching, Or cool one pain, Or help one fainting robin Unto his nest again, I shall not live in vain.
ballinb:in that case it would have a point.
me:yaar, all madness has a point
ballinb:but it wasnt made clear that way.
me:all pain has a point. everything has a point
ballinb:not necessarily
me:just becuase we don’t see it at first sight doesn’t mean it isn’t there. don’t be so secure in your preceptions of the world and your judgements of purposeful and pragmanic things. there is a virtue to art. to beauty. to humor
ballinb:so the point of the thread is to post random things which have a point, is that right?
me:everyone has a point …randomness is when the outside world doesn’t really understand the point
ballinb:ok…
me:the point you have in your mind and heart. everything is related to us, and basically our expierences, even our thoguht processes do you not agree?
ballinb:well maybe u should make your intentions clear in the opening post of the thread
me:that would be defeating the purpose of undiscovered beauty. of beauty not understood and there is beauty in lets beauty be not distilling it like a an eye or frog seeing out functions and what not
ballinb:ok…well i dont disagree with that, but i dont think everyone has the same approach to ‘randomness’ .. some ppl might have a distasteful intent and post something inappropriate, for example.
me:since you took it from such a serious and pragmatic stand point. i thought to explain it in a more metaphicsal sense…that is their choice and taste…remember: “To deny the freedom of the will is to make morality impossible.”–James A. Froude
ballinb:but what happens if taste goes against ethical / moral / Qur’anic values?
me:and there will always be darkness “There is no light for those who do not know darkness.” – Takuan Souhou. Evil makes good so much more valuable, that’s why we make mistakes and repent2/14/200810:55:01
ballinb:not willingly though2/14/200810:55:01
me:and Allah SWT loves us so for it…and if we didn’t sin Allah SWT would replace us
ballinb:we have to not be passive with such an attitude. i mean towards evil ..
me:In an Islamic governement things are evil
ballinb:yes evil will exist, but we pray that our committing / exposure to evil is minimized
me:and the world is full of self-rightiousness
ballinb:true. ..
me:probably one of the hugest evils out there
ballinb:but. ..evil remains just that, evil. erm..
me:that’s the purpose of this world. it’s a test. it’s not going to be easy. sabr is one of the greatest goods
ballinb:but we can’t give in and say we’re human so we’re going to sin.. lets do it anyway
me:and Allah knows best how much we can take
of course not we try but in the end we will enter heaven only with His mercy. be hard on yourself. not others
ballinb:a sin if repented for must be avoided after repentence. now ur confussing me
me:why?
ballinb:oh nothing. i get it.
me:oh Alhumdullah. look we constantly fall into sin the difference is whether we’ll repent. there’s a story. that there was a boy or man who partied and was free with women more or less. they went to the Prophet (s) and the Prophet asked “does he pray?” they reponded “yes” and the Porphet (s) (parphased–all of this in fact) “then leave him be, his prayer will make his bad deens undiseirable” and inshAllah he’ll drop them becuase of his connection with Allah (swt)
ballinb:we could still advise such a person that what they are doing is not right
me:of course
i agree but we do it in kindness. I feel it is better to befriend a friend for 7 years so that they know you love and care for them and then tell them to pray then to befriend them for 7 secs just meet them and asked them to pray the latter makes them defensful and does more damamge. thus we need sabr and love
ballinb:also they shouldnt be hypocritical, ie. they should be praying themselves before telling others. ur right. we have to advise with wisdom and kindness.. .there is a Verse in the Qur’an which says that too
me:yes inshAllah
may Allah give us the strenght to do so
ballinb:amen : ) ok should go now.. t/care. thanks for ur time
me:sorry I know I rant. wallah you too. Jazakullahkhair for listening and the consideration.
ilana