Born Confused

talking about an event concerning the masjid

me:
yeah I was going to put a petition but then I talked to an inside and I diceded it would be wise to let things take it’s course

violent:
yeah you guys should just let it go
don’t try to push it
you won’t be able to change people’s minds

me:
OOOOOOOOOOOH girl bling bling
sean paul
eh?
when do you suggest standing for something then
do you ever protest anything?

violent:
you fight the battles that are worth fighting
when you know it’s something that will heal rather than bring more discord and divide

me:
You can’t please everyone. And we shouldn’t try. Thats like saying only fight the popular fights–a lot of the good isn’t popular

violent:
uh that’s not what I’m saying at all
what I mean is; if you’re going to fight, make sure it really is going to achieve what you hope to achieve
and that you’re not just fighting for the hell of fighting
out of anger
or bitterness
though it may sound like an oxymoron
you should only ever go to war
with peace in your heart

me:
Sometimes you feel peace in your heart because you believe in what your fighting for even if you know your lose
sometimes you simply need stand up for a cause
and show it’s not acceptable
or it’s wrong
or you don’t agree with it
discord make vibrant civil socities
we shouldn’t hinder from it
call it a oxymoron
but disunity and discord often gives birth to freedom

violent:
that may sometimes be true
but who’s to judge when discord will be fruitful and when it will only breed more fractures

me:
That’s based on the person they should have good intentions, sound knowledge and peace in thier heart so they may aquire wisdom. It’s a case by case thing as for fractures.. it’s life–it’s diversity and it’s beauty. We’re not all the same and it’s a sign from Allah.
And let it be a sign
embrace it
and do not let it weaken you
but derieve strenght from it
nor should we try to suppress it
we might not agree
but we can at least respect it
and that’s a higher form of human and a7lack

violent:
ok but
still
that doesn’t mean
fighting for your cause will always attain victory
if you can foresee that, in fact
fighting will only lead to more disunity
than it’s your duty to restrain yourself
and save your energy for the fights that really matter

me:
read my previous post–I think I had clarified that. And with help from an insider I had sound knowledge and therefore reframed.

me:
CHAY MAN–I gotta jet–a friend came over and said I was her “spiritual guide” and I am gonna take her out for coffee–I think something is up
salaam

violent:
lol ok
guide her well
beace

Trying to get someont to post here

ballinb:lol .. thanks for the link . i hardly get a chance to post on Islamica generally so i dont know if i should post randomness
kind of randomness do u mean?
lol
me:ANYTHING and EVERYTHING
ballinb:but i wouldnt want the world to be able to read anything and everything
i mean anything and everything that comes to my head
me:whatever you feel comfortable yaar
ballinb:hmm anyway have to go take care
me:did you post? :(
ballinb:well .. . i dont feel comfortable posting randomness ..sorry : )
me:not even Qur’an haramoobobi
ballinb:well there is a Quranic Verse thread
me:you can post ANYTHING to your heart’s content mr. uptight one. BE FREEEEEEEEEEEE
ballinb:but then the Verse might get lost in the randomness
me:(and halal)
ballinb:hmm….
me:ok your achward
ballinb:lol ok.. sorry but im not used to posting freely
me:are you use to living freely? thinking freely? feeling freely? expressing yourself freely? (and whilst in a halal manner)
ballinb:oh of course. we have to think freely as muslims but posting randomness, sometimes perhaps ‘nonsense’ in a thread is not necessarily representative of ‘free thought’. im sorry if I sound too uptight or ’strict’ .. but thats just how i feel .. I think there should be a point to everthing.. well atleast not ‘pointless’sorry ..anyway gota go
me:He who does not look upon things with the eye of insight is lost and to be blamed. it’s not nonsense. it seems so to the viewer who does not know the mind of the artist…don’t be so quick to judge
ballinb:well i wasnt referring to particular posts
i mean the thread as a whole..might end up with people posting ‘anything’ like u say, and ‘anything’ might include nonsense although it’s your thread u might not be able to control some of the nonsense others post in it
me:control?
ballinb:lol not control but ppl might post nonsense and u dont want that do u :S
me:“To deny the freedom of the will is to make morality impossible.”–James A. Froude.
ballinb:whatt if ppl r posting good things then that’s great
me:think upon it deeply what is good for you might not be good for others nor will anyone really be on your level of eman
ballinb:hmm…
me:it might be above or below but do not expect the same everyone has thier journey “We believe nothing so frimly as what we least know.”–Michel de Montaigne.
ballinb:that’s true.. but the point is that there is a fine line between ‘just a random post’ and a post which makes no sense in any way and is just wasting forum bandwidth and letting ppl post just ‘random’ stuff about anything just makes it easier to cross that fine line
me:maybe it’s sharing love/happiness who are we to judge?
ballinb:eg. posting random underpants is sharing peace love? Lol i mean there should be a point to something..
me:it’s sharing happiness. I was looking for power rangers that reminder me of defenders remember a smile is charity maybe I made someone smile? Laugh? giggle? inshAllah fillsabillullah maybe they had a hard day
ballinb:ok if that is your intention..
me:Emily Dickinson: If I can stop one heart from breaking, I shall not live in vain. If I can ease one life the aching, Or cool one pain, Or help one fainting robin Unto his nest again, I shall not live in vain.
ballinb:in that case it would have a point.
me:yaar, all madness has a point
ballinb:but it wasnt made clear that way.
me:all pain has a point. everything has a point
ballinb:not necessarily
me:just becuase we don’t see it at first sight doesn’t mean it isn’t there. don’t be so secure in your preceptions of the world and your judgements of purposeful and pragmanic things. there is a virtue to art. to beauty. to humor
ballinb:so the point of the thread is to post random things which have a point, is that right?
me:everyone has a point …randomness is when the outside world doesn’t really understand the point
ballinb:ok…
me:the point you have in your mind and heart. everything is related to us, and basically our expierences, even our thoguht processes do you not agree?
ballinb:well maybe u should make your intentions clear in the opening post of the thread
me:that would be defeating the purpose of undiscovered beauty. of beauty not understood and there is beauty in lets beauty be not distilling it like a an eye or frog seeing out functions and what not
ballinb:ok…well i dont disagree with that, but i dont think everyone has the same approach to ‘randomness’ .. some ppl might have a distasteful intent and post something inappropriate, for example.
me:since you took it from such a serious and pragmatic stand point. i thought to explain it in a more metaphicsal sense…that is their choice and taste…remember: “To deny the freedom of the will is to make morality impossible.”–James A. Froude
ballinb:but what happens if taste goes against ethical / moral / Qur’anic values?
me:and there will always be darkness “There is no light for those who do not know darkness.” - Takuan Souhou. Evil makes good so much more valuable, that’s why we make mistakes and repent2/14/200810:55:01
ballinb:not willingly though2/14/200810:55:01
me:and Allah SWT loves us so for it…and if we didn’t sin Allah SWT would replace us
ballinb:we have to not be passive with such an attitude. i mean towards evil ..
me:In an Islamic governement things are evil
ballinb:yes evil will exist, but we pray that our committing / exposure to evil is minimized
me:and the world is full of self-rightiousness
ballinb:true. ..
me:probably one of the hugest evils out there
ballinb:but. ..evil remains just that, evil. erm..
me:that’s the purpose of this world. it’s a test. it’s not going to be easy. sabr is one of the greatest goods
ballinb:but we can’t give in and say we’re human so we’re going to sin.. lets do it anyway
me:and Allah knows best how much we can take
of course not we try but in the end we will enter heaven only with His mercy. be hard on yourself. not others
ballinb:a sin if repented for must be avoided after repentence. now ur confussing me
me:why?
ballinb:oh nothing. i get it.
me:oh Alhumdullah. look we constantly fall into sin the difference is whether we’ll repent. there’s a story. that there was a boy or man who partied and was free with women more or less. they went to the Prophet (s) and the Prophet asked “does he pray?” they reponded “yes” and the Porphet (s) (parphased–all of this in fact) “then leave him be, his prayer will make his bad deens undiseirable” and inshAllah he’ll drop them becuase of his connection with Allah (swt)
ballinb:we could still advise such a person that what they are doing is not right
me:of course
i agree but we do it in kindness. I feel it is better to befriend a friend for 7 years so that they know you love and care for them and then tell them to pray then to befriend them for 7 secs just meet them and asked them to pray the latter makes them defensful and does more damamge. thus we need sabr and love
ballinb:also they shouldnt be hypocritical, ie. they should be praying themselves before telling others. ur right. we have to advise with wisdom and kindness.. .there is a Verse in the Qur’an which says that too
me:yes inshAllah
may Allah give us the strenght to do so
ballinb:amen : ) ok should go now.. t/care. thanks for ur time
me:sorry I know I rant. wallah you too. Jazakullahkhair for listening and the consideration.

in response to the earlier post on happiness…

streetfighter:
its strange that someone with very little can be happier than someone who has achieved all of his material desires
streetfighter:
so is the source of happiness the actual material possessions, or is the source of happiness the fulfillment of ones desires then?
me
perhaps the lack of both
me
transcending above and beyond that
me
and truly looking to ultimately Allah
me
the Comforter
me
and knowing that this dunya
streetfighter:
what if ones desire is to please Allah (SWTL)
me
won’t give you the TRUE fulfillment
streetfighter:
and by pleasing Him, do we feel happy
me
there is no end to the race of quality and perfection
me
and in this case for Allah (SWT)
streetfighter:
yeah
me
Allah gives us noor
me
I believe
me
it lightens
streetfighter:
yeah that is true
me
our fitrah detects this
me
a pleasure, the fulfillment of good
streetfighter:
so there is a difference between pure and impure desires right
me
yes
me
i believe so
me
impure–increases your selfishness
me
and concentrates on yourself
me
unhealthily
me
EGO
me
err what say you?
me
LOOLLz
me
I get on rants
me
:S
me

streetfighter:
i think that, good actions can only come from proper faith
streetfighter:
since truly pure good comes from pure intentions
streetfighter:
and pure intentions are to do something to please Allah (SWTL)
streetfighter:
if an action was to be done for other than Allah (SWTL), then it would not be pure, and thus would not be good
streetfighter:
although the outwardness may appear to be good
streetfighter:
but all actions are judged by their intentions
streetfighter:
good intentions come from pure sincerity
me
and that sincerity isn’t easily acquired
me
it’s a jihad
me
that’s where you strive I suppose
streetfighter:
yeah exactly

me (12:50:54 AM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1jhwHgMoF0

me (12:57:09 AM): !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

me (12:57:13 AM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTH5E-da3QU&feature=related

me (12:57:16 AM): LOOOOOOOOOOOKi

friend (12:57:46 AM): salamualaikum

friend (12:57:47 AM): nusaiba

friend (12:57:49 AM): is aMAZING

me (12:57:55 AM): YAAAAAAAAAAR

me (12:57:57 AM): mASHALLAH

me (12:58:08 AM): watch shatry

me (12:58:13 AM): i have him on my ipod

me (12:58:20 AM): but the translation!!!

me (12:58:23 AM): yaya

me (12:58:29 AM): making me happy

me (12:58:33 AM): LOOOLz

friend (12:58:39 AM): one sec

friend (1:00:45 AM): what about the translation

me (1:01:05 AM): I like knowing what i am listening to

me (1:01:13 AM): truly touches the heart

me (1:01:23 AM): what is deen without knowledge?

me (1:02:24 AM): oye wa alikum assalam wa rathmaullah baraktuhu

me (1:02:26 AM): LOOOLLz

friend (1:02:32 AM): haha

me (1:02:34 AM): my apogilsess

friend (1:02:33 AM): word

me (1:02:38 AM): LOOOOLLz

me (1:02:42 AM): you beat me yaar

me (1:02:44 AM): LOOOLz

me (1:03:37 AM): compare

me (1:03:42 AM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GoqGkN3dU

me (1:04:57 AM): he’s inspired

me (1:05:02 AM): but.. i wonder

me (1:05:07 AM): in such a setting

me (1:05:21 AM): if unintentially the intention is flawed?

me (1:05:34 AM): like when ones sings

friend (1:05:40 AM): i know..

me (1:05:44 AM): you can’t help but have ego

friend (1:05:46 AM): i’m not comfortale iwt that

friend (1:05:48 AM): i know

friend (1:05:49 AM): actually

friend (1:05:51 AM): with nusaiba

friend (1:05:53 AM): as beautiful as her voice is

friend (1:05:59 AM): i HATE these qari competitoins

friend (1:06:00 AM): all it does

friend (1:06:02 AM): is build ego

friend (1:06:05 AM): and superficiality

me (1:08:28 AM): yes, indeed it must… but we should assum the best and if so it must be not malicious just unintentional. but then what is human nature? should we deny it? or do these competitions also perfect the voice

friend (1:08:36 AM): of ocurse

friend (1:08:37 AM): but

friend (1:08:40 AM): i’m tlaking about

me (1:08:42 AM): encourage prefection of the human?

friend (1:08:42 AM): the competitoins itself

friend (1:08:45 AM): theyre detrimental

friend (1:08:49 AM): eh…

friend (1:08:49 AM): i mean

me (1:08:53 AM): to eman?

me (1:09:09 AM): so is success in this life, s3?

me (1:09:15 AM): in any form?

me (1:09:23 AM): builds the ego…

me (1:09:36 AM): go on

me (1:09:40 AM): i am listening

me (1:09:57 AM): your the first that concurs with me

friend (1:10:25 AM): this qari ocmpetitioins build more ego and superficiality than one can imagine

friend (1:10:25 AM): and

friend (1:10:30 AM): it can easily be denied

friend (1:10:32 AM): because you can hide it

friend (1:10:35 AM): but then

friend (1:10:38 AM): its between you and God

friend (1:11:11 AM): and honestly

friend (1:11:13 AM): if i was in her position

friend (1:11:18 AM): as modest as i would TRY to be about it

friend (1:11:20 AM): my modesty woul dbe

friend (1:11:21 AM): superficial

friend (1:11:25 AM): because between me and God

friend (1:11:30 AM): i’d know i’m da bomb

me (1:12:35 AM): until realization and maturity take over, and you realize the skilll and talent you display has no reflection on the quality of your HEART

me (1:12:38 AM): of your soul

me (1:13:11 AM): but tis takes time

friend (1:13:13 AM): and

me (1:13:15 AM): to realize it

friend (1:13:17 AM): not everyone can do it

friend (1:13:20 AM): these ompetitions

friend (1:13:24 AM): facilitate shaytan

friend (1:13:26 AM): to enter your heart

me (1:14:16 AM): i agreee, but so does everything in this dunya–but do we shy away from it? nay, i say we have an obligation to it

me (1:14:28 AM): like leadership?

me (1:14:39 AM): shall we liken it to leadership?

me (1:15:04 AM): Islamic leadership is a huge burden. Just imaging the day of Judgment… oye… One who is a leader of an org is not only responsible for their own actions but as well as others in the org while they are the leader. On the Day it is one of the largest burden upon people and will probably be the cause of much demise.

friend (1:15:17 AM): but leadership is different

friend (1:15:19 AM): its a responsiblity

friend (1:15:23 AM): being a contender in a qari competiiton

friend (1:15:24 AM): is not.

friend (1:15:26 AM): we dont need em

friend (1:15:30 AM): there are alternatives

me (1:16:05 AM): does it strenghten the eman, and move the listener?

me (1:16:10 AM): some may say so

friend (1:16:14 AM): a competition

friend (1:16:14 AM): no

friend (1:16:17 AM): the recitatoindoes

me (1:18:30 AM): and competition hons the prefection of recitation, and as for prefection, it’s all relivant, is it not?

me (1:18:53 AM): so a gathering of some sort to show the world is needed?

friend (1:18:58 AM): sa that again

me (1:19:21 AM): me (1:18:30 AM): and competition hons the prefection of recitation, and as for prefection, it’s all relivant, is it not?
me (1:18:53 AM): so a gathering of some sort to show the world is needed?

friend (1:19:29 AM): lol

friend (1:19:30 AM): no i mean

friend (1:19:32 AM): wha tod you mean

me (1:19:52 AM): ummm

me (1:19:54 AM): LOOOOLLz

me (1:19:59 AM): ok

me (1:20:02 AM): well

me (1:20:16 AM): competition builds up the perfection

me (1:20:22 AM): it’s a means of gathering

me (1:20:35 AM): and perfect is relivent

me (1:20:43 AM): for only Allah is truely prefect

me (1:20:58 AM): we as tiny humans have no TRUE concept of it

me (1:21:03 AM): sooo

me (1:21:08 AM): we try

me (1:21:21 AM): and perfection is relvant to your means

me (1:21:28 AM): sooo

me (1:21:37 AM): a gathering is need?

me (1:21:39 AM): s3?

friend (1:23:40 AM): hmm

friend (1:23:53 AM): but the way that competitoins are conducted

friend (1:23:57 AM): is what i’m against

friend (1:24:12 AM): it shouldn’t be hyped up, a public display

me (1:24:20 AM): ummm

me (1:24:24 AM): i must concur

me (1:24:47 AM): but perhaps it’s also our human moviation in side that we should change

me (1:25:13 AM): because people are lured into these competitions by awards

me (1:25:19 AM): human nature I suppose

me (1:25:23 AM): we’ll call it

me (1:25:41 AM): and perhaps it should be towards somthing esle

friend (1:26:17 AM): right

me (1:26:21 AM): becasue after such a gathering … without a tropthy or title?

me (1:26:32 AM): can you put it on display?

me (1:26:38 AM): very few

me (1:26:46 AM): can get hyped upon

me (1:26:52 AM): and put on TV

me (1:30:02 AM): are you busy?

friend (1:30:39 AM): i’m juggling

friend (1:30:39 AM): haha

friend (1:30:40 AM): so sorry

friend (1:30:59 AM): but dude

friend (1:31:03 AM): its not about just the physical

friend (1:31:07 AM): awards that you can touch

friend (1:31:09 AM): its also baout

friend (1:31:11 AM): ego

friend (1:31:19 AM): about how people act around you

friend (1:31:22 AM): when they hear you recite

me (1:36:13 AM): yes, indeed

me (1:36:27 AM): but if Allah give you a talent as well

me (1:36:34 AM): He give you the capcity

me (1:36:58 AM): to seek wisedom and realize your talent isn’t a reflexction upon your soul

me (1:37:04 AM): it’s a fitnah

me (1:37:13 AM): as is being handsome

me (1:37:20 AM): or beautiful

me (1:37:25 AM): heehee

friend (1:37:53 AM): hahaha

friend (1:37:53 AM): yes

in the end this touched me the most: