Jun 01 2008

A conversation about logic vs emotional justice

Published by ilana at 11:13 am under 00, Polictical Theory, pseudo reflection, self-righteousness

me: (12:05:57 AM):sometimes when I am in pain I go into the rain and I make sure no one is looking and I just stand and let it wash over me and pray
someone: (12:06:40 AM):Ilana. when I’m in pain I just remember that God said He’ll never burden any soul with something it doesnt have the strength to bear and then the pain kinda loses its edge
me: (12:08:28 AM):mashAllah
someone: (12:09:07 AM):its possible that its different for me b/c I’m a guy
me: (12:09:46 AM):you are such a sexist–it’s the same
someone: (12:12:12 AM):lol i eas referring to the differences in thought processes in women and men and there are very clear differences
me: (12:13:06 AM):it’s cynical vs optimism it’s faith vs no faith it’s character and perception and the chemical of a males vs female I think have littel to do with it
someone: (12:14:05 AM):i was referring to emotions-driven female thought processes vs. logic-driven male thought processes
me: (12:14:45 AM):the difference is that you don’t trust your emotions
someone: (12:14:48 AM):for a woman in emotional pain, its harder for her to forget about it or overlook it than it is for a man [on average]
me: (12:14:52 AM):it’s all logic with you
someone: (12:15:03 AM):i’d rather trust logic than emotion
me: (12:15:29 AM):I’d trust balance dear
someone: (12:18:01 AM):logic is balance its not like logic and emotion are the equal and opposite ends of a scale, and you’re trying to stay in the middle
me: (12:20:53 AM):yes, in the nature world they would have some elements occurring of the opposite therein but would you not agree logic in it’s purest form is devoid of emotion meaning if justice is emotionless then there would be no retribution
someone: (12:21:47 AM):emotion, if not held in check by logic, misleads people
retribution?
me: (12:22:20 AM):and logic if not held in check by emotion misleds people
someone: (12:22:20 AM):how do you figure that? how does logic mislead people? me an example
me: (12:23:19 AM):okay, let’s kill all the people with genetic diseases so they don’t pass it on to the next generation or dispositism
someone: (12:23:44 AM):that has nothing to do with logic lol
me: (12:24:04 AM):oh? self-preservation of the human race isnt’ logic? of the future? wanting the best off-spring isn’t logic?
someone: (12:24:49 AM):in the context of human life, you have two logical choices in that scenario, and its far more logical to let someone with a genetic disease live in order to try and find a cure yeah but people with genetic diseases do not pose a mortal threat to the human race so you can’t argue the grounds of self-preservation
me: (12:25:31 AM):they might to you or your future off-spring so why not do away with them
someone: (12:25:49 AM):-yes that’s a faint possibility
me: (12:25:52 AM):wasting food and energy anyways
someone: (12:26:03 AM):and that possibility does not justify eliminating such people energy is constant food is replenishable if on the other hand it was some rapidly spreading contagious disease then logically, that justifies quarantine
me: (12:27:13 AM):or killing
someone: (12:27:17 AM):and even in such a dire scenario, killing them wouldn’t be justified
me: (12:27:35 AM):justifed?
someone: (12:27:38 AM):unless they pose a mortal threat, a clear and present danger to the majority
me: (12:27:41 AM):interesting word wrapped in emotion
someone: (12:27:53 AM):no
me: (12:27:58 AM):oh yes
someone: (12:28:01 AM):i meant logical, rational justification
me: (12:28:26 AM):and you sound like disopition right now
someone: (12:28:39 AM):lol
me: (12:30:22 AM):I am serious why are you laughing?
someone: (12:30:57 AM):because I don’t know what “disopition” means.
me: (12:32:06 AM):I meant Despocrary
someone: (12:32:24 AM):i don’t know what that means either
me: (12:32:51 AM):despotism
someone: (12:33:05 AM):oh, I see.
me: (12:33:16 AM):from democracy to despotism your dealing with grey not black or white in which I was dealing with. Your dealing with emotion ridden words like justice which is fueled buy a desire sometimes vengeance–revenge is apart of it but nature cutting another’s hand when they have cut off your own how does that initially serve? now if we were purely logical and could see the future we would choose a mode of action or judgment
someone: (12:37:15 AM):but we cant see the future
me: (12:37:22 AM):that would do the least harm I am talking about pure logic don’t loose the point.

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